If I could talk with this person Diana is trying to help, I would do my kindly best to try to discourage this person from pursuing a PhD focusing on systems thinking in elemenary education.

First, this is at best a devloping area of study and application; it is not well developed at this point. 

Second, it’s not clear there is adequate demand for the area; the person may end up being unable to find a school job or a university position in this area.

Third, many of us feel that yuou have to know some model-based system dynamics to teach systems thinking well, and this person’s study plan does not mention studying to become a good modeler so as to become a great systems thinker.  

Fourth, which maybe should have been third, there are a lot of characterizations of “systems thinking” which can be very different.  I assumed the person was interested in “system dynamics thinking”, but that may not be true.  If not, then I’m not the one to try to help.

A better PhD plan would be to get the (research) degree in a widely recognized field (system dynamics?, cybernetics?, human cognitive development?, education?, critical thinking??). Become expert. Get a research/teaching position at a university (that’s the only reason to through the pain of getting a PhD).  Then try applying it in schools, preferably with people who have been trying to do that for quite a while now.

Sorry to be pessimistic. Trying to be realistic often heads me pessimistic directions. Certainly, heading for a PhD should involve a lot of realistic thinking about what one has when done. Is it worth the journey?

…George

George P. Richardson
Professor emeritus, University at Albany






On Jan 8, 2020, at 18:25, Diana M. Fisher <xxxxxx@frontier.com> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

A colleague of mine from Turkey has a friend who wants to pursue a PhD program outside of Turkey that has a focus on the use of Systems Thinking in Elementary Education.

Is there a university that has a PhD program with that focus?  

I an unaware of any PhD or other special certificate programs that would allow this person to gain the formal education she desires.  

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Diana Fisher
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