As another similar data point, in my SD course I introduce and we model (conceptually and formally) with stocks and flows before introducing feedback and CLD, then put them together. It works well, perhaps because the students are engineers who have grown up thinking about water flowing through pipes in and out of lakes and tanks and such. But I suspect that it also works well because almost everyone can understand those concepts once they are explained. However, as John Sterman and others have shown with their research, connecting those simple accumulation structures to behavior is much more difficult, leaving us plenty of fertile ground to educate in.  

 

Dave Ford

 

David N. Ford, Ph.D., P.E.
Beavers Charitable Trust / William F. Urban ’41 Professor in Construction Engineering and Management
Zachry Department of Civil Engineering
Texas A&M University
College Station, Tx 77843-3136
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From: cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com [mailto:cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Louis Macovsky
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:45 PM
To: cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com
Subject: Re: CLE K-12 Discussion: Anybody heard of Loopy (freeware)?

 

Years ago when I participated in managing SymBowl in Portland, I had a group of 3rd graders meet once a week to create single stock models.  Within the 6 weeks of meeting they managed research, build, and describe their individual models with a posters for SymBowl.

 

CLD’s were discussed after they learned to manipulate stock and flows in STELLA.

 

Stock and flows and then CLDs and then back to stock and flows.

 

It was a small and brief experiment that seem to work well for these students.

 

Lou Macovsky

 

From: <cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com> on behalf of Richard Turnock <xxxxxx@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 2:05 PM
To: <cle_k-12xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Subject: Re: CLE K-12 Discussion: Anybody heard of Loopy (freeware)?

 

On Mar 27, 2017, at 4:57 PM, aybeez <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

 

What do you suggest is a better causal / loop / thinking / diagramming tool please. 

 

5 paras critique,  no solution or recommendation. 

 

My 9 year old loved it, was engaged immediately and wanted to expand the diagrams and got strenthening / weakening asap. A 9 y o now has systems embedded.

 

How would you do it.?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

 

Hi Andrew,

 

The focus of system dynamics is to build capacity in areas that hinder learning. 

What hinders learning?

  • Cause and effect separated in time and space
  • Misperception of feedback
  • Poor interpersonal and organizational inquiry skills
  • Insufficient time for reflection

The quality of a model depends on the process that created the model.

Brainstorming results in a model with errors and fallacies.

Playing with the software might be fun and engaging for a short time.

 

The process for developing a quality system dynamics model has been well documented by CLE and many others.  Dr. Wakeland at PSU has a graduate level class that emphasizes a process that includes validation, verification, sensitivity testing and other process steps.

 

Just like trying to talk Geek to Silicon Valley nerds, when you follow the system dynamics process to develop a quality model, there is a vocabulary that you have learn.

 

Your 9 yr old will quickly understand: boundaries, stock, level, flow, constant, parameter, loop, feedback and other words.  Your 9 yr old might not like that there are rules for SD models.

 

Richard Turnock

 

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