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Re: Determining the Title of a Piece (2 messages) Bradley, Sara 25 Jul 2002 14:55 UTC

Thanks so much.  This has been very helpful.  I now have a clearer
understanding of the difference between title page and editorial page.  I
wonder if someone could also help me to better understand the difference
between Masthead and Colophon.

Thanks again,

Sara

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcia Tuttle [mailto:tuttle@EMAIL.UNC.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:29 AM
To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Determining the Title of a Piece (2 messages)

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From: RGildem550@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:28:22 EDT
Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Determining the title of a piece

Teresa,

According to CCM (CONSER cataloging manual),  3.2.1a, a title page is:

a page that contains the title of the serial.  If there is more than one
page
that  gives the title, the title page is generally the one that also
includes
responsible bodies, place and name of publisher, and/or the designation of
the issue.  A page can be a title page, however,  when there is nothing on
it
but the title, even when another source, such as the cover, contains more
information.  Title pages are most frequently found in serials that are
issued annually or less frequently, as opposed to periodicals and
newsletters. The title page may follow many pages of advertising,
particularly in European serials and directories.

According to CCM 3.2.1b a title page is not:

a page that contains text, tables of contents, or extensive editorial
information, i.e., a  page that has been designed to fulfill a different
function. The editorial page following the cover in most periodicals is not
considered to be a title page.  Note: the presence of contents or editorial
information does not preclude the selection of the cover or another page as
the title page substitute when there is no true title page. <snip>

[What follows in CCM is a detailed discussion of borderline situations].

The AACR2 definition of a title page: CCM Module 3, p. 5 It is: a page at
the
beginning of an item bearing the title proper and usually, though not
necessarily, the statement of responsibility and the data relating to
publication."

Hope this helps. I am really enjoying this discussion!

Rick Gildemeister
RGildem550@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:12:44 -0400
From: "Horn, Marguerite" <HORNMA@sysadm.suny.edu>
Subject: RE: Determining the title of a piece

With all due respect to CONSER (I love you guys) and LCRI (I love you guys)
and ISSN guidelines .... I have yet to see someone on this list point to
AACR2rev for the FIRST place to try for aid in determining title.

Rule 12.0B indicates the Sources of Information.  12.0B1 indicates Chief
source of information as the title page and then gives the order of
preference when an official title page is not available.  In the case of
most periodicals, cover becomes the source based on this hierarchy.

What is a title page? -- there's a definition in AACR2 glossary.

Please note: none of this actually helps trying to decipher what the heck
the title actually IS!!!

I find it strange that I, a person who can NOT quote AACR2 chapter and
verse, bring up AACR2.  We pay one heck of a lot of money for this book and
no one is using it??????  [and, yeah, the rules will be changing, but if no
one even looks at the rules, who the heck cares!!!]

Maggie (feeling curmudgeounly this morning)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley, Sara [mailto:sbradley@BIOSIS.ORG]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:52 AM
To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: Determining the title of a piece

> On July 12, Teresa Arnold posted a question about determining the most
> significant place to look for a serial title.  There were only a few
> replies to her question on SERLIST and it doesn't seem as though the
> question was really answered.  I am very interested in hearing more.
>
> We follow the CONSER guidelines in combination with the ISSN guidelines
> since the ISSN is an important element in our database.  We have been
> considering "the title page" any of the first pages in the serial,
> excluding the table of contents page, giving more weight to the page if it
> includes the publisher or editorial information as well.  I have found the
> cover to be unreliable especially in cases where an acronym or logo
> appears; or when hyphenation is used (especially on German language
> titles); or when the serial is a government report.
>
> Of late, title changes have become more of a challenge because the
> publishers seem to be changing the look or cover of the serial (presumably
> for marketing purposes) frequently using an acronym on the cover.
> Sometimes an acronym is used throughout the serial, on other serials the
> acronym appears only on the cover, and still on others the acronym and the
> expanded title appear on the "title page".  This is difficult enough to
> deal with but sometimes the same serial that carried only the acronym may
> start carrying both the acronym and the expanded title and yet the ISSN on
> the serial remains the same.  And it is not just acronyms that are causing
> a dilemma.  I have noticed similar problems with so called "subtitles".
>
> I would appreciate hearing more on "determining the title of a piece".
>
> Sara Alice Bradley
> Editor
> BIOSIS Serial Sources
> Two Commerce Square
> 2001 Market Street, Suite 700
> Philadelphia, PA 19103-7095
> USA
>
> sabradley@mail.biosis.org
> Phone: 215-231-7505
> Fax: 215-587-4958
>
>