8 messages:

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:45:16 -0400
From: Matt Person <mperson@mbl.edu>
Subject: Re: importance of salaries in job ads

This caught my eye---don't you know that as you go up the rungs of high paying
jobs, very often salary is not mentioned in the ad?  You want a candidate who
wants the job, not someone looking for a salary as issue # 1.  Concentrate on a
great job description, and let the job sell itself.  All it takes is for the
curious party to call you or look at your university's human resources page to
gather salary  info.

Regina Beach wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm hoping to advertise a serials librarian position soon.  My university's
> provost has set a policy of not allowing salaries in job ads.  This severely
> limits us in our librarian searches.
>
> We very much need an experienced professional to manage our serials area and
> can pay a decent salary (about $35K-40K).
>
> My deep concern is that unless I am able to advertise salary, I will not
> have experienced librarians in the pool.  I've been pushing this with my
> administration to no avail.  Input from you all (the people we want to hire)
> may help.
>
> There are several factors in deciding to apply for a job.  How important is
> the salary advertised in the job ad in that decision?
>
> Please post to the list.  Your point of view may help someone else.
>
> If you're more comfortable responding privately, please do so at
> regina.beach@tamuk.edu
>
> Thanks,
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
--

Matthew A. Person
Serials Librarian                        >)))'>
MBL/WHOI Library
7 MBL Street
Woods Hole, Massachusetts 02543 USA
phone: 508 289 7345  fax: 540 6902             >)))'>
email: mperson@mbl.edu
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Member of NASIG - North American Serials Interest Group

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:40:59 -0400
From: Roy Ziegler <rziegler@mailer.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: importance of salaries in job ads

Regina,

I don't if it was your intent or not but I think that you have just
successfully advertised the salary to a group of experienced professionals.

Roy Ziegler
Head of Collection Development
University Libraries
Florida State University

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:43:03 -0400
From: RGildem550@aol.com
Subject: Re: [SERIALST] importance of salaries in job ads

Regina,

There are a couple of ways you can get around this:

===We seek for this position only a seasoned, experienced professional========

===Salary commensurate with experience; this is not an entry-level
position======

Granted, this looks awkward, but can be revamped or tweaked for your
situation.  Good look in your search.

Rick Gildemeister
RGildem550@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:08 -0500
From: Karen Chobot <karen.chobot@NDSCS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Rejected posting to SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
>
>Hi folks -
>In my personal opinion, the two most important factors in searching for a
>new job are location and salary.  This is *particularly* true as one
>becomes more experienced.   Before I was promoted to my current position, I
>was looking for another reference position.  Of course I wanted to improve
>on my situation in several ways - that is why I was looking for a new job,-
>and salary and benefits were the things I looked at closely.  One job I
>looked at seemed to indicate they would pay more for experience, but when
>it came down to the final item, for which I was the only serious candidate,
>I would have received longer hours and less pay.  Needless to say, I could
>not make that switch.
>
>I have often wondered why salaries are left out of job ads.  If anyone
>could enlighten us as to the logic, I would appreciate it.
>
>Karen M. Chobot, MLS
>Director, Mildred Johnson Library
>NDSCS
>800 N. 6th St.
>Wahpeton ND 58076
>
>701-671-2385
>Karen.Chobot@ndscs.nodak.edu
>
>Visit the library web site at www.ndscs.nodak.edu/information/library

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From: "Barbara Peale" <bpeale@lib.NMSU.Edu>
Subject: Re:      importance of salaries in job ads
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:51 -0600

speaking only for myself (and i am not a librarian but a library worker),
when i have looked for jobs in the past, if the salary is not there, then it
does not matter what the job descriptor is because i will not read it. i
look first for salary, then location (and sometimes location, then salary),
then the job description. i always feel that if the salary is not listed
there then it is too low for them to even list. not listing it is wasting
people's time.

just my $0.02 worth, YMMV.
Barbara
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NMSU Library--Serials Unit
Box 30006, MSC 3475
Las Cruces, NM  88003-0006

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again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and
spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best, knows in the end the triumph
of high achievement; and who, at the worst, at least fails while daring
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who know neither victory nor defeat."
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:26:34 -0400
From: Lauren Corbett <lcorbet@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: importance of salaries in job ads

Regina,

My preference is to always have a range in the ad and I feel it becomes
much more important for recruiting experienced candidates who need to
know if the salary would be an improvement over their current position.

You might get targeted suggestions on working through this if you could
let us know if your institution is in the US and if it's public or private.

Lauren

--
Lauren Corbett
Acquisitions Team Leader &
Interim Division Leader for Information Resources
Emory University -- Woodruff Library
ph: 404 712 1818
fax: 404 727 0408

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:36:23 -0500
From: "Karen Tschanz" <ktschanz@seyfarth.com>
Subject: Re: importance of salaries in job ads

A pet peeve of mine is job ads with no salaries. Certainly salary is one of the important issues most of us consider when evaluating job opportunities. Interviewing reams of candidates, only to talk salary when a job offer is made, has always struck me as expensive and  a waste of the time for everyone concerned. Why not avoid much of the coy shuffling and dickering around, not to speak of need for multiple job offers, as one prime candidate or another de-selects at the end of the hiring process? Of course, if salaries were made public, hiring institutions would have to pay competitively...

However, you can pay a decent salary, so I guess I am very curious to know why your provost, and HR professionals in general, take this stance. kst

Karen S. Tschanz
Technical Services Librarian
Seyfarth Shaw
Library
55 E. Monroe, Suite 4200
Chicago, IL 60603 USA
(312) 739-6264 (phone)
(312) 739-6226 (fax)
ktschanz@seyfarth.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:45:43 -0400
From: tusa@ALMARK.LAMAR.EDU
Subject: Salary information in job ads

I am all too happy to respond to the question of posting a salary or salary
range in job ads.  If I had to move close to my family for health reasons
(theirs or mine), I might not be very picky about the salary of the prospective
job.  Otherwise, I need a rather good reason to move.  (Hey, I might be
unhappy with my present job or surroundings from time to time, but I'd have
to be consistently unhappy or bored or underpaid to want to move.)

When I browse job ads to see what opportunities might be available for
advancement, you'd better believe I look for a salary figure.  The
statement: "Salary commensurate with experience, . . . " tells me nothing,
unless an actual salary range is included.  We have been guilty of the
same thing at times, if our administrators won't commit to a budgeted
amount, but I am chairing a search committee now, and I'm proud to say
we are able to post a salary with the upcoming ad.

I may be in the minority.  However, a position would have to be enticing
for some darn good reason to overcome the lack of salary information.
The supposed privilege of working at an ivy league or otherwise prestigious
institution does not entice me to overlook the pay (or lack of salary
information).  It may entice others.

I've rambled on too long.  I apologize. The only other time when salary
might not be important in a job ad is if the position addresses some
rare opportunity to advance my career that may require a temporary setback
or leveling of salary in order to take advantage of the opportunity.
However, I delete or ignore most ads that do not include some kind of
salary figure.

Sarah Tusa
Interim Coordinator of Acquisitions
Lamar University