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Re: Mobil travel guide. Northwest & Alaska Steve Shadle (25 Jan 2005 16:49 UTC)

Re: Mobil travel guide. Northwest & Alaska Steve Shadle 25 Jan 2005 16:49 UTC

To (hopefully) close this thread.  In further private conversation with
Robert, it turns out the title page presentation still only says
"Northwest" not "Northwest & Alaska".  The phrase "Northwest & Alaska"
only appears on the cover (at least as Robert has reported).  There is an
additional phrase ambiguously presented in smaller font ("with Alaska,
Idaho, Oregon, Washington") in conjuction with the title, but the
cataloger who last edited this record didn't consider it part of the title
proper, and instead, transcribed it as a quoted note.

I agree with Marlene that change of scope should be reflected in record.
Subject headings need to be adjusted and the quoted note does indicate
current geographic coverage.

<soapbox> However, standard practice is that title page is our first
choice (among many) for transcription title transcription.  If we don't
have agreement on choice of source for transcription, then the result is
multiple records, with different title propers, all representing the same
thing and no agreement on when a title 'changes'. <\soapbox>
--Steve

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Marlene A. Harris wrote:

> Can I second the motion of making this a matter of "cataloger's judgment"?
>
> From where I'm sitting, it does seem like a major change of scope to add
> Alaska to the coverage, and Alaska is quite frequently NOT automatically
> considered to be included in the Northwest region.  (I'm afraid we still
> occasionally get people asking whether you can use the U.S. postal service
> to send packages up here, etc., etc.)
>
> Marlene A. Harris
> Head of Technical Services
> University of Alaska Anchorage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
> [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Bothmann, Robert L
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:33 AM
> To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Mobil travel guide. Northwest & Alaska
>
> Thanks, Steve.
> I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been in my description of the
> question.
>
> The 245 has four words in the title, so "& Alaska" is an addition of
> words to the title, and indicates a change of scope.
>
> I can see that an interpratation would be to call this a minor title
> change per 21.2A2b (addition, deletion, or change of articles,
> prepositions, or conjuctions anywhere in the title).
>
> However, I still feel that the addition of the words and the scope
> change removal of Canada, addition of Alaska seems rather major to me)
> makes it quite clear that this is a major change, not a minor one..
>
> Is there a way to readdress this so that we can use 57346281, which
> appears to me in my "cataloger's judgement" to be the appropriate record
> to use.
>
> Thanks.
>
> *******************************************
> Robert Bothmann
> Electronic Access/Catalog Librarian
> Minnesota State University, Mankato
> Voice: 507-389-2010
> Fax: 507-389-5155
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
> [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Shadle
> Sent: Monday, 24 January, 2005 10:45 AM
> To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Mobil travel guide. Northwest & Alaska
>
> Robert -- I don't disagree with your judgment about change of scope, but
> only want to point out that Alaska is the *sixth* word in the title ("&"
> is a word), thus added after the first five.
>
> My guess is that the cataloger working on it considerred Alaska
> implicitly
> part of the Northwest and didn't consider it a change of scope.  --Steve
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Bothmann, Robert L wrote:
>
>> The 2003 and 2004 editions of "Mobil travel guide. Northwest" do not
>> contain Alaska and DO contain some western Canadian provinces.
>>
>> The 2005 "Mobil travel guide. Northwest & Alaska" covers Alaska,
> Idaho,
>> Oregon, and Washington, but no Canadian provinces.
>>
>> Per AACR2 rule 21.2C2, the addition of Alaska to the first 5 words
>> constitutes a major title change. The change in content (addition of
>> Alaska, deletion of Canadian coverage) of the publication appears to
> me
>> to also be a major change. Also, I can't seem to make this change in
>> title fit any of the conditions in 21.2C2b.
>>
>> Clarification, explanation would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> *******************************************
>> Robert Bothmann
>> Electronic Access/Catalog Librarian
>> Minnesota State University, Mankato
>> Voice: 507-389-2010
>> Fax: 507-389-5155
>> mailto:robert.bothmann@mnsu.edu
>>
>