Dear Kim:

Can a publisher request information about the actual print frequency,
any combinations,
be provided and communicated to the subscription agencies?

To the best of my knowledge, the subscription agencies require
prediction of the next new volume,
but not specifically next new frequencies, only because the printed
forms do not spell this out.   I've never
heard the question even asked prior to your insightful and valorous
proposal.

This may not be difficult to do at all, and for everyone's benefit as
well, including the subscription
agency, also suffering under the shared  yoke of  claiming.

Bill Cohen, Publisher
The Haworth Press, Inc.
www.HaworthPress.com

kmaxwell@MIT.EDU wrote:
> I don't actually check in print journals anymore, so my comments are coming
> from my remembrance of when I did have that job and what my staff are
> currently telling me.  What I'm hearing from Barbara's comments is that when
> she checks the T&F site it does not tell her which issues are combined in
> the printed issues.  Instead, it lists issues 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.  What she is
> looking for is something to help her predict that what is going to arrive in
> her mailbag is 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, etc., and she isn't finding that information.
>
> Yes, serials checkin staff can adjust patterns to accommodate changes in
> frequency, as John Lucas suggests and Jeannette Skwor concurs; that happens
> all the time and it is part of the job.  When the frequency doesn't match
> the online frequency, it's confusing.  When, in addition to not matching the
> online frequency, the print frequency is not known until the print issue
> shows up on your desk, you no longer have the ability to predict the print
> issue.  You guess.  What Barbara was bemoaning is that former predictable
> titles, and titles that are still predictable online, are now not
> predictable in printing, causing more work.  All she's asking for is for T&F
> to tell her the frequency of the print, and to provide a schedule.  I don't
> think that's a huge thing to ask for.  If she had that, she'd probably spend
> less time guessing and more time focusing on other things.
>
> Barbara, I'm very sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth here.  I hope I
> haven't overstepped my bounds.
>
> Kim
>
> _________________________________________________
> Kim Maxwell
> Serials Acquisitions Librarian
> Associate Head, Acquisitions & Licensing Services
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> MIT Libraries, Room 14E-210
> 77 Massachusetts Ave.
> Cambridge, MA 02139-4307
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>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
>> [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Skwor, Jeanette
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:02 PM
>> To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Taylor & Francis, Haworth, and pages
>> per volume
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>> Mr. Lucas states:
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>> Yes, if T & F has
>> changed the groupings of the print issues then this can
>> create a check-in problem, however this can be overcome by
>> using our expertise and knowledge of the situation. We can
>> correct the prediction in our systems, alert our staff,  and
>> watch the site for 2007. That is one of our jobs.
>> -------------------------------------
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>> Am I in the minority who does not consider it part of her job
>> to search publishers websites to see if they are changing the
>> frequency from that which is printed in the issue I have in hand?
>> And if I am, where are the rest of you finding the time?
>>
>> Or am I totally not understanding something?
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>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeanette Skwor
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
>> [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of John Lucas
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:01 PM
>> To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Taylor & Francis, Haworth, and pages
>> per volume
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>> Here is just my $ .02 worth. Actually more than that.
>>
>> When I first found out about these titles, as I recall there
>> was an announcement on the T & F site, and I thought some
>> mention of it on
>> SERIALIST.    I checked and found 2 or 3 titles affecting us, I do not
>> recall the titles now,  however the 'proposed' print
>> schedules for those titles seemed uniform (nos. 1-4, nos.
>> 5-8) but may have changed.
>>
>> I believe T & F indicated that the electronic issues would
>> come out as they had previously no. 1, no. 2, no. 3 etc.
>> (possibly on the same time frame).
>>
>> If that is the case, then citations sent to the indexes and
>> abstracts (Medline, et al.) would reflect that electronic
>> issue and not the print which comes out later.
>>
>> This would be similiar to e-only journals such as the BioMed
>> Central titles where issues are closed off and the next issue opened.
>>
>> The printed 'archive' issues would be combined.   Yes, if T & F has
>> changed the groupings of the print issues then this can
>> create a check-in problem, however this can be overcome by
>> using our expertise and knowledge of the situation. We can
>> correct the prediction in our systems, alert our staff,  and
>> watch the site for 2007. That is one of our jobs.
>>
>> The number of titles doing this was small, and I assume, a
>> test to see if this model had possibilities.  Obviously there
>> would have to be some tweaking and if T & F feels this can be
>> debugged to save them some costs as Barbara believes (I also)
>> then this would be expanded to include more of their journals.
>>
>> Please forgive 'fuzziness' in my thoughts, as I am engrossed
>> with Annual report.
>>
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>>
>>
>> John Lucas
>>
>> Serials Librarian
>> University of Mississippi Medical Center 2500 North State St
>> Jackson, MS
>> 39216-4505
>>
>> (PH) (601) 984-1277
>> (FAX)  ( 601) 984-1262
>> JLUCAS@ROWLAND.UMSMED.EDU
>>
>>
>>>>> Dietsch.Barbara@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV 7/13/2006 12:56 PM >>>
>>>>>
>> Actually Bill, I don't think it is the end of the matter.
>> You've been discussing philosophies and opinions from a
>> publisher's point of view.
>>
>> I requested practical comments on how library workers were
>> handling the print/online enumeration discrepancies in their
>> day-to-day work.  We have to come up with a solution on how
>> to deal with this problem, and it is a problem for serials
>> technical staff.
>>
>> I don't think this situation is about "policy" per say, but
>> how do librarians and library patrons deal with decisions
>> made by publishers which often are not logical or
>> straightforward for the user.
>>
>> But..........another spin on philosophies..........basically,
>> you are selling a product, and if the customer is unhappy
>> with changes or inconsistencies with the product, it is of
>> benefit to both the producer and consumer to give feedback on
>> how it affects them and why.  Both Haworth and Taylor &
>> Francis are for-profit publishers.  You are selling a product
>> to make money.  Librarians and library users are one segment
>> of your customer base.
>>
>> Serialists send your suggestions and comments on practical
>> solutions to this unavoidable and irritating irregularity.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> barb
>>
>> barb dietsch | serials coordinator
>> epa library | unc contract staff
>> 109 tw alexander drive | mail code c267-01 research triangle park, nc
>> 27711
>> phone: 919.541.0726
>> fax: 919.541.1405
>> dietsch.barbara@epa.gov
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>> I respectfully disagree, and totally.   Your own history in this
>> area is completely documented, and I think librarians can
>> decide on their own what policy they choose.
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>> Let us consider this an end to the matter.
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>> Thank you for your constructive help.
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>> Bill Cohen, Publisher
>> The Haworth Press, Inc.
>> www.HaworthPress.com
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