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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:54:47 -0700
From: Mitch Turitz <turitz@SFSU.EDU>
To: SEREDIT@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: LCRI 25.5B -- LC issues draft revision

I like the new revision to LCRI 25.5B.
(The web address for the draft RI is:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcri25_5.html )

It addresses some long-standing issues I have fought against such as: there
is no longer a "preference" for Place over other qualifiers.  However,
there is still the problem that if there is a change in a corporate body
(as qualifier) then you still need to do successive entry cataloging.
However, if a place is used as a qualifier, you do not do successive entry
cataloging, but make a cross-reference in your authority records.
  This seems to be an inconsistency (again) to me.  IF you can take care of
the problem of change of place as qualifier by using a cross-reference,
they why would you not do the same for the corporate body qualifier?  It
would reduce the amount of (unnecessary) successive entry cataloging, when
the title proper itself has not changed.

  Overall, the wording seems cleaner and clearer to me than the old LCRI.

  Also, I would like to see this proposal as a change to the AACR2 rules
themselves, not merely as a rule interpretation.  Of course, that means
soliciting input from many more sources (JSC, the British Library, CCC,
etc.) but I would like to hear their opinions as well.

-- Mitch Turitz

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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:50:16 -0400
From: Riquili@AOL.COM
To: SEREDIT@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: LCRI 25.5B -- LC issues draft revision

This message is being cross-posted to AUTOCAT and SERIALST. Please excuse any
duplication.

About a month or so, LC added some new documentation onto CPSO's home page,
ncluding a draft revision of LCRI25.5B (which affects uniform titles for
serials). This looks very much like a thorough revision, and one nice thing
that will make lots of folks happy is that it pretty much leaves it up to
cataloger's judgment to decide *which* qualifier to use.

One spot that I would like to bring to people's attention (that is not clear
to me from the wording), involves the provisions for "change of qualifier".
The first provision given is clear: it says "Body used as qualifier. If the
name of the body changes or the body is no longer involved with the
*serial/series* (my emphasis), create a new record using the new name of the
body as the qualifier".

 The next provision is "Place used as qualifier. Place of publication
changes. Do not create a new record. On a series authority record, add a
reference from title proper with the new place as qualifier". -- Are we still
talking about "serial/series"?

I'm assuming that their having said "do not create a new record" carries over
from the first provision to the second, i.e. "record" means either bib or
authority record. Anyway, it's not so confusing when you've got it laid out
on your desk ;-)  Still, I ask, are we going to use series authority records
for cross references to the 130 field in *all* types of serials or just with
series? I think, personally, that that is a very creative way to get around
some of the problems that people have discussed online and in  the library
literature relating to 130's for serials. (Can we expand it to use corporate
body qualifiers in 430 of series authority records when the qualifier for the
130 is a place?  Why not follow AACR2 21.29D ? ;-)

The web address for the draft RI is:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcri25_5.html

Judy Kuhagen from LC has asked that comments be sent to her at: jkuh@loc.gov
(see CPSO web site)

Rick Gildemeister
Lehman College, CUNY
Riquili@aol.com

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