On Friday, September 11, 2020, 03:27:43 PM MST, xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk> wrote:

See that’s the rub. There are no “bottom-dwellers” on Vland. Everyone contributes to society. You have to have a job, and that job has to contribute to society. The tribe is not going to go to all the effort to produce edible food for you if you don’t contribute. Who is going to give the food from their child’s mouth to feed someone who drains resources without a very very good reason (sitting on your arse doing nothing isn’t a very very good reason). Everyone has their place, every job is essential, all contribute to society. Society is everything.

President walks up to a cleaner in NASA and asks “What do you do” cleaner reply’s “I’m helping put a man on the moon”.

In fact a person who specialises in cleaning on Vland is incredibly important, because if you get the wrong bits of Vland in your mouth … that will kill you.

No the Vilani got off Vland and then realised there were resources just for the taking.

And then they got out of the Vland system and realised that there was food you could eat that didn’t kill you and that you could Terraform planets much more easily than Vland itself (something that they had perfected for thousands of years on Vland itself (they Terraformed parts of Vland everyday just to stay alive)) to be able to produce food in excess, and sometimes you found a planet you could just pull fruit off the vegetation itself and eat it, or eat the vegetation itself, and they even found you could eat the animals.

And then they created the largest empire chartered space has ever seen …

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And then the Solomani came along & a lot of the 'bottom-dwellers' in the vilani hierarchy discovered that there was another option & it wouldn't kill you.

And that changed everything.

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On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 05:24:57 PM MST, xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk> wrote:

I should really do that article I’ve been meaning to write on the Vilani and why they are the way they are.

It comes back to experiments on Vland kill whole tribes if they go wrong … so you don’t do them. It’s like conducting human drug tries but over decades because you need to know all the side effects before you let it loose on the population. Get it wrong and everyone dies. So innovation is very conservative and really slow and takes lots of effort and resources that could be used for other things. All that time, resources and effort is rewarded in the patent systems. Because it’s of benefit to the community, and the Vilani are all about community (not like us (in any way shape or form)) the tribe is everything, (individualism doesn’t work on Vland; if you strike out on your own you die), everyone can use it without restriction, however because Eneri spent all that time and effort in making sure you won’t die from the innovation he gets his royalties. Now if Eneri based his innovation on someone else’s innovation Eneri has to honour all the time, resources and effort that went into the first innovation, so he pays his royalties, and because you do this to increase the amount of stuff available to the tribe or make the tribe more efficient or allow them to do more in the same time paying the royalty is not removing any increased gain, thus the community benefits.

Anyway as I said I should really write the article.

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I have a friend who is a patent agent and he'd tell you that could have merits, but the administration of that could be very bureaucratic over the course of hundreds of years. That does kind of sound Vilani though...

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:09 AM Jeff Zeitlin <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com> wrote:

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 09:19:02 -0400, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:

>ObTrav: Would not surprise me if the Vilani, being traditionalists and
>heavily into regulation and structure, would have similar issues with the
>large corporations being in bed with the government. It would be more
>likely given nobility as a system of governance because getting in there is
>largely knowing the right people and all the rich folks and the nobles
>(which are often rich too) would be making many credits from their
>corporate investments and holdings and so they'd encourage the laws and
>regulations to bend in ways that maximized that profit. You don't kick your
>Count out every four years if you don't like him. The rulership of the 3I
>really is the classic example of the one-percenters.

I believe there's canon (or at least Generally Accepted Wisdom) on the
Vilani patent system that states that if you have a Vilani patent, you
can't stop your invention from being used, but you do collect a royalty on
any use of it. If your invention builds on someone else's, you pay them a
royalty, and any royalties you earn on your invention are also subject to
the royalty on the invention you build on.

For example, Eneri invents the transistor, and earns 1% royalty. You invent
the transistor-based digital computer, and earn 1% royalty. You have to pay
Eneri 1% of whatever you earn in royalties on the computer because you used
the transistor in creating it. If Sharik builds on the computer, but her
invention doesn't directly use the transistor separately, she pays you your
1%, but doesn't pay Eneri; you're the one that needs to pay Eneri.

Whether there is a similar system for copyright has not been defined.

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