Yes, government careers lean that way as do ones that are expensive/brutal to get into. OTOH our provincial and federal gov't have moved a number of former gov't roles to private contractors and I see sick or injured gov't workers facing constructed dismissals fairly often. Many roles have no promotion path (you have to compete but have no time off to train up or study unlike many new people from the outside who have that time.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 11:36 Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list), <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
A big exception still exists in civil service type careers.
(that's what I did)

It's still quite possible (in fact, even desirable considering retirement benes) to get into that right away & stay in for the duration of your working life.

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On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 12:04:22 AM MST, xxxxxx@gmail.com <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


It's hard in a classic/basic generation system to make a coherent 'other'. It ends up coming off as a weird pot-pourri because it is 'everything'.

People who've kicked around in multiple careers are not necessarily that scattered, they just may have two focuses in different parts of their life.

I do take the point again about modelling the 18th century or even the 19th and early 20th where people stayed with employers for a lifetime. That ended at TL-8. And TL-9 makes the notion of a career even seem questionable (real world - gig economy).

I guess I'm not a Vilani. I grew up on Terra. I see the rates of change that are taking away long term static career choices and my own life has driven me to go through multiple notions of what my income should come from (I am going through one now) and that makes me feel like by the time I'm out, I'd have a spent terms in different schools, terms in software development, reserve time with the military (almost a 5 year commitment but I elected not to), and now possibly private business or re-education to another field.

So though I can see the 18th-early 20th century view of careers here (and that continued in the Vilani culture) but most on Terra now are living in job markets that the Vargr would get (fast shifting, dynamic). 

Again, I wouldn't say a change to multiple career support needed to be there for all settings/campaigns, but I think it is a good feature for some.

TomB

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:30 AM Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:


On 14Oct2020 1922, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 4:27 PM <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk
> <mailto:xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 1:54 PM Rupert Boleyn
>     <xxxxxx@gmail.com <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         On 14Oct2020 0633, xxxxxx@gmail.com
>         <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         > One of my axes to grind (beyond the possible abuses of BPs)
>         is that  > I've yet to meet a basic MT generator that will let
>         me start an
>         spend > a term or two in a second career before play.
>         That's in houserule territory, so I'm not surprised. Taking a
>         second
>         career before play begins is a perk of being a Vargr.
>
>
> Likely, but it makes sense if you do a term in the military and then
> go into another career for 2 or 3 terms. It also would be sort of like
> going to schools or academies then a career. Most people go through at
> least 4 jobs in their life (of different sorts) apparently (last I
> heard).
>
> As a feature you could use if you wanted to, I'd rank it highly.
>
> When did this Perk come in for Vargr? MgT? Or back to CT Alien modules?

They've always had it. MgT let's everyone swap careers (so did TNE).

I've always assumed that CT/MT saw Imperial society as being like most
pre-20th century ones, where the vast majority of people followed one
career for their working life. Even soldiers used to sign up for 10-20
year stretches, and a great many kept on soldiering until they weren't
physically up to it any more.

PCs and other some Travellers were unusual because they changed their
career *once* (to traveller/general scum). This is not the 20th/21st
century west in space.

A guy who knocked around a lot, did this and that - he didn't have a
multitude of careers, but rather he took 'Other'. Later he probably took
Rogue. I wish Other had been a stronger career in the Book 1.

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Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>

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