Folks, the thing is that it was a cost for WINTER WAR.

Financially, we as a family are fine. It's about the cost being done to Winter War.

What's going to happen is that we're going to access to the files. I will make sure no one in the inner circle of Mr. Miller needs them, and if folks have downloaded the files previously great. But from the examination at skin-level, those files hadn't changed since 2012 apparently.

We'll know more next week when it is 'up'. However, after a short period, it will be down indefinitely, simply because the account it is connected to is no longer appropriate to hold the page.

If the files are screamingly necessary...I could find a way to keep it up. But from skin-level observation, I don't think that would be necessary.

Thank you though guys for the willingness to float costs. :) I am happy for the eagerness, but that won't be necessary yet. Let's see what files are available through it on Monday. If the list, or inner circle of Mr. Miller decide the page should remain up for access, then we discuss 'finances'.

To put it lightly, but bluntly, Donald McKinney took very good care of his family. The cost itself is not the problem, it is who was previously paying the bill.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, David Shaw <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

If you do set up a Patreon, I'm in.

David Shaw

On 7 Apr 2016 16:55, "Ethan McKinney" <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael,

I don't want to pry into your family finances, but I suspect that the cost issue is with monthly server fees, not just DNS registration. If you're willing, you might be able to get donations from the Traveller community to fully fund the cost of maintaining the site. Just to throw out a wild guess, if the server costs $60/month, 60 people donating a buck each isn't even that many. I'm sure that several people would easily kick in $5 each, making it even easier to meet the goal.

If you decide to do this, I suggest setting up a Patreon. Supporters (patrons) simply set up a monthly charge that will go to you--Patreon does take a cut for maintaining the donation site, doing the billing, and so forth. The fees aren't bad. The campaign shows how much is pledged in real time so that particularly enthusiatic supporters can raise their monthly pledge to cover any shortfall. I wouldn't object at all if you or your family kept any funding beyond the minimum as compensation for your time.

You may eventually discover that some folks want to provide updated material for your father's site.

Ethan McKinney

On Apr 7, 2016 7:34 AM, "Michael McKinney" <archangel620@gmail.com> wrote:
So folks, the reason why Don McKinney's page is no longer up online is financial.

Sorry about that folks.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Michael McKinney <archangel620@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey folks,

Don McKinney's son here. We still have all of dad's content and information for Traveller. There hasn't been an intentional purge. However, I am betting when my mother renewed the Go-Daddy account for Winter War, she did not keep authorization for the subdomain. I have inquired with her to know if she knows something.

If it is just down because of access, I'll see if we can at least get a static version of it up. But it's important to remember that without dad being here, that page is UNLIKELY to update ever again.

While I retain all of my father's Traveller books, works, and documents, the information on that page was shared with the circle around Marc Miller so that way he knew about it.

In any case, if the page can be brought up, I will see if we can. But it may just have been an oversight issue because I didn't even know about the page myself until 2 months ago. It was one of the many things I learned as his son, in my father's passing, as I went through and organized stuff.

I'll keep you updated if I find anything out.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:00 PM, B Kruger <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

It looks like those pages were a subdomain of winterwar.org of which Don was the chairman.

I suspect either the gaming group or Don's son has requested the pages be taken down as the DNS entries no longer exist.

Brett.

On 07/04/2016 7:41 AM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello Bruce Johnson,

Thank you for the reply and suggestion about using archive.org.

The answer is no I have not tried since I just stumbled on to the problem.

I know that about three weeks ago I could still access the site. I also have
copies I downloaded and saved to my hard drive.

I did check archive.org about the Merchant Prince Trader program mentioned
here recently.

Tom R

From: "Bruce Johnson" <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 2:31:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TML] What happened to Donald McKinney's Traveller page?

Have you tried the WayBack Machine at the Internet Archive?

<https://archive.org/web/>

I found captures of his site there back in 2012 that resulted in those PDF’s.

This is a wonderful service.

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:56 PM, tmr0195@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>  
> I was checking the MgT Traveller Errata forum with this link http://dmckinne.winterwar.org/pdfs/ConsolidatedTravellerErrata.pdf got the message that
>  
> This page can't be displayed
> Make sure the web address http://dmckinne.winterwar.org is correct.
>  
> Next, I went to FFE's errata page clicking on the links there. The Consolidated CT Errata and Errata T4 General returned the same message
>  
> Then I tried Donald McKinney's home page and I got the same message.
>  
> Can anyone let me know where all the great stuff Donald McKinney had on the site went to and is there going to be a new place to find the good stuff?
>  
> Tom R
>  
> From: "Bruce Johnson" <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
> To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:43:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [TML] TML Archive available on the web
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >         I was asked are the TML archives, other than the ones at simplelist (which go back to April 2014) available on the web (i.e. publicly).
>
> I have an archive from ’87 to 2002-ish here <http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/archives/TML_Archives.html> At the very end of the list is a link to a zip file with all of them you can peruse locally. I’ll see if I can find a copy of them from the Travellercentral era.
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