Odd question (5 messages) Bob Persing 14 Oct 2003 00:48 UTC

Message #1:
From: "Deb Ham" <dldham@creighton.edu>
Subject: RE: Odd question
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:49:11 -0500

Try Outlook (India). They started over with volume 1, number 1 when they
changed publishers! I think that was in January of 2002 or 2003.

Deb Ham
Serials Associate
Creighton University
Reinert Alumni Library

Message #2:
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:18:40 -0500
From: Susan Andrews <Susan_Andrews@tamu-commerce.edu>
Subject: Re: Odd question

It *is* an odd question.  My answer depends on how your catalog works.  A
favorite note for numbering changes is: Numbering changed ..., or Vol.
numbering changed ...

So if your catalog will search your notes fields (with either a notes
search or a keyword search), I would try searching with one of those word
combinations.  In my catalog it brought up several such titles, including
one of my personal favorites: Popular photography (it went from v.100 to

Hope this works,

Susan Andrews
Head, Serials Librarian
Texas A&M University-Commerce
P.O. Box 3011
Commerce, TX 75429-3011
"Your Success Is Our Business"

Message #3:
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:37:25 -0500
From: "Helen Lord" <hlord@ahml.info>
Subject:  Odd question


I hope I understood the question correctly.  Popular Photography changed
their numbers back in Apr 1993. Prior to May 1993 their numbering was
100:4 for Apr 1993. Then May 1993 became 57:1. I have a note in my
checkin record that the publisher made this change "in keeping with
government regulations and Library of Congress policy that magazines
reflect years and months the publisher has actually been in existence.
This magazine started May 1937.  I hope I have helped.  Helen
Lord, Acquisitions Clerk, hlord@ahml.info

Helen Lord,Acquisitions Clerk
Arlington Heights Memorial Library
500 N. Dunton Ave Arlington Heights, IL 60004
Phone: (847) 870-4397
Fax: (847) 506-2636

Message #4:
From: smithaa@oplin.org
Subject: Re: Odd question
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:13:13 -0400

Elizabeth -

I used keyword searching in the OCLC WorldCat database to find the terms
"numbering" and "change*", limiting the search to serial records in English
... it achieves results which are neither comprehensive, nor particularly
interesting, but offers many appropriate answers.

You might suggest an investigation of "keywords that suggest numbering
change"; or maybe even this gives too much away ...

I hope this helps ...

Clermont County Public Library, Ohio

Message #5:
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:47:41 -0600
From: Dan Lester <dan@riverofdata.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Odd question

Here's an answer in case you have 73 Amateur Radio magazine going back
to the sixties.  Not likely, but the following is true.

In the early sixties I worked for 73 Magazine in Peterborough NH (also
home of the first tax supported free public library, 1833).  The
Editor/Owner was Wayne Green, who had previously edited CQ Amateur
Radio magazine.  They had a falling out, since he wasn't enough of a
corporate lackey to the company that bought the magazine from a
previous publisher, and he started his own magazine.  I was an
assistant editor.

At that time CQ had volumes numbered into the 30s, I believe, regular
annual numbering.  73 started in Oct 1960 with v.1, no.1.  The first
volume was 15 issues, ending at the end of 1961.  That is sensible in
its own way, so that things would be on a regular annual numbering
pattern, starting with v.2, no.1.  In 1962 or 1963 Wayne didn't like
that his volume numbers were lower than they were at the now-hated CQ.

So, he started increasing the volume number with each issue.  v.5,
no.1, followed by the next month's v.6, no.1, and so forth.   After he
got the volume numbers up high enough, he went back to regular volume
numbering.  Still later he switched to whole numbers (no.277, no. 278,
etc.).  Wayne was his own man, including having a wife who was 25
years younger and who didn't wear a bra, a totally shocking thing in
small town New Hampshire in 1963 and 1964.  He also, in the days when
the issues had 72 pages (later increased to 160 or so), the pages were
numbered up to page 71, followed by page 73 (naturally).  The title
page always listed an article on page 72, something totally
revolutionary and shocking, to get people's attention.

One other thing that drove subscribers and librarians crazy was that
on one issue he printed the front cover upside down....on purpose.
About five times the printer called to correct the error, but he
finally got them to print it upside down.  This meant that when they
were put on the newsstand the spine was on the left.  We got thousands
of calls and letters about "the error", but he considered it a way to
find out what the readers were really reading.

Anyway, if you have 73, you have an example for your student.


Dan Lester, Data Wrangler  dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711
3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho  83716-7115 USA
www.riverofdata.com  Have you forgotten 9/11?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
> [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU]On Behalf Of Urbanik, Elizabeth
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:57 PM
> Subject: Odd question
> I just had our current journals librarian ask me a question on behalf
of a
> student. She said his assignment was to find a serial or journal that had
> had a numbering change. Obviously this is one of those things the profs do
> to get their students acquainted with the library (I hope). I'm
> stumped. Can
> anyone out there give me any hints? What I want to do is be able
> to give the
> student a clue or a couple of steps that would set him on the
> right path --
> I don't like handing out answers to assignments if it's the
> student's job to
> find those answers.
> Thanks for any help you can give,
> Elizabeth
> Elizabeth Urbanik, Assistant Professor
> Serials Cataloger
> Mississippi State University
> 662-325-7665
> eurbanik@library.msstate.edu
> "Frugality for the Public is a rare virtue, but when the public
> Service must
> suffer by it, it degenerates into a Vice" -- William Byrd II