MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 07:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 08:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Greg Nokes (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Jeff Zeitlin (28 May 2020 10:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 10:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Rupert Boleyn (08 Jun 2020 04:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 05:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 17:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 18:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 02:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (29 May 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 16:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (29 May 2020 21:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 23:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (29 May 2020 23:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (30 May 2020 11:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (30 May 2020 03:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 May 2020 05:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (31 May 2020 04:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (31 May 2020 06:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (01 Jun 2020 00:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (01 Jun 2020 01:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 04:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:36 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 08:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Thomas Jones-Low (01 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (02 Jun 2020 00:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 22:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 22:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 23:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 23:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (01 Jun 2020 08:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 11:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (02 Jun 2020 13:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (02 Jun 2020 02:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 17:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 19:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 22:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (02 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) David Johnson (03 Jun 2020 00:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Richard Aiken (03 Jun 2020 01:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 08:56 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 09:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Kelly St. Clair (03 Jun 2020 15:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 19:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 07:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 15:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 15:34 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 16:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 16:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 16:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 23:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (05 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 04:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (05 Jun 2020 08:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Timothy Collinson (05 Jun 2020 08:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:08 UTC)
[TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:15 UTC)
Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Jeff Zeitlin (04 Jun 2020 19:43 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 22:18 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 01:08 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Rupert Boleyn (05 Jun 2020 04:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 06:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 20:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 00:55 UTC)

Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx 08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC

On 28 May 2020 at 13:10, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm pretty sure when an Oberlindes scion is going to have a ship built
> for his own purposes and the low berth is one possible life saving
> system, it's going to be the best money and science can buy. Ditto
> anything the Imperial Family might have to ditch into.
>
> And at the other end, early experimental berths might be scary
> things. Or 'refurbs' from dubious sources at backwater ports or in
> pirate havens... a true desperate measure.

It helps to remember that "low berths" along with fast drug, slow
drug and the low berth "lottery" were lifted direct from E C Tubb's
"Dumarest" series.

It's been a *long* time since I read any of the books, but I got the
impression that they were more intended for shipping livestock than
people. With livestock, if some don't make it, you just sell the
frozen corpses to a butcher.

In the books, the people using them were pretty much the same sort
who'd pay a coyote to sneak them across the US border. Desperate, and
willing to pay even knowing there's a chance they'd die.

Or the folks getting on those overloaded boats and trying to cross
the Med from places like Libya or Syria. Or going back some years,
the folks trying to cross from Cuba to Florida on improvised "boats".

ps. I believe you've got slow drug confused with fast drug.

Slow drug is named because it makes the world slow down from your
perspective. Fast drug makes the world speed up so a week in jump is
only hours.
--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com