Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- 2 messages Stephen D. Clark 20 Dec 2000 18:36 UTC
1)------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- David Goodman Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:09:52 -0600 From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@ROCKHURST.EDU> David, A) I didn't say binding the paper issues was unacceptable; I said it would cost us more money in time and labor. B) You would be right to say it is absurd to make libraries pay more for 2 versions of a journal (1 loose and 1 prebound), but it is more absurd to drop 1 of those versions and NOT reduce the subscription price at all. That is what we are talking about here. C) I too would prefer electronic to paper, but the online version (available only with a print subscription) is $1308 (the paper alone is $969). You get the paper with the online subscription (which, by the way, is limited to a single user). And how do you 'keep' the electronic issues you have paid for when you cease your subscription to the journal 5 years from now? You would still have your paper issues if you bound them. Buddy Pennington Acquisitions/Serials Librarian Rockhurst University Greenlease Library buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu #816-501-4143 2)-------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- David Goodman Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:22:24 -0600 From: John Lucas <jlucas@rowland.umsmed.edu> Before the "Library" or "Reference" editioins came out, we were binding the monthly issues anyway. When we started receiving thes "prebound" volumes, we continued to bind our monthly issues. I found out that in the early volumes, any supplements were left out. Also I did not like the quality of the "prebound" volumes and have had to send them to our binder to have either the covers reattached or new covers put on. I also have no problem with binding the monthly issues for our stacks. Way back when they started these bound volumes, I thought it was just a justification to raise their subscription rates more than normal. As we got used to it, it just became part of the 'normal' subscription. Just my biased 2 cents worth. Any opinions in the above message are mine and do not reflect the policies or thoughts of the library I work for or for the institution. John Lucas Serials Librarian University of Mississippi Medical Center 2500 North State St Jackson, MS 39216-4505 (PH) (601) 984-1277 (FAX) ( 601) 984-1262 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Elsevier Trends Journals... -- Buddy Pennington Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:37:39 -0500 From: David Goodman <dgoodman@phoenix.princeton.edu> I do not consider binding the monthly issues unacceptable as an archival method. The quality isnt worse than many other bound paper journals. Personally, I prefer electronic to paper for archival purposes. That presumably either marks me as an insane optimist, or someone ahead of his time. I think it was absurd to make libraries pay more to receive two copies of the same journal originally, (after all how many other journals do we get in two copies, one unbound and one prebound) and dropping the duplicate publication is one of the few recent moves by Elsevier that I approve of. David Goodman, Princeton University Biology Library dgoodman@princeton.edu 609-258-3235 > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Elsevier Trends Journals... > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:46:15 -0600 > From: "Pennington, Buddy" <buddy.pennington@ROCKHURST.EDU> > > > Hi all, > > How are you dealing with the cessation of the compendia/reference > volumes to > the Trends journals without a subsequent discount in the subscription > price? > Without the reference volume (which we retain), we will need to either > bind > the paper issues or get it on microfiche (if that is possible). Not > only > are we losing something and paying the same price as before, we are > forced > to pay more to retain it in an acceptable archival format. > > How many of you out there have expressed your feelings to Elsevier about > this and how can I do it most effectively? Also, are there any > libraries > out there considering canceling any of these titles because of this > issue? > > Buddy Pennington > Acquisitions/Serials Librarian > Rockhurst University Greenlease Library > buddy.pennington@rockhurst.edu > #816-501-4143 >