Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jun 2020 19:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Timothy Collinson (27 Jun 2020 19:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Catherine Berry (27 Jun 2020 20:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (30 Jun 2020 23:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Jeff Zeitlin (30 Jun 2020 23:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (27 Jun 2020 22:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Jeff Zeitlin (28 Jun 2020 00:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (28 Jun 2020 01:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive James Catchpole (27 Jun 2020 23:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Catherine Berry (28 Jun 2020 00:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (28 Jun 2020 01:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Jeff Zeitlin (29 Jun 2020 22:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Kelly St. Clair (29 Jun 2020 23:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Cian Witherspoon (30 Jun 2020 00:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas Jones-Low (28 Jun 2020 03:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 04:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas Jones-Low (28 Jun 2020 10:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 11:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas Jones-Low (28 Jun 2020 12:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 12:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jun 2020 18:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (01 Jul 2020 21:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 05:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jun 2020 09:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas Jones-Low (28 Jun 2020 13:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Cian Witherspoon (28 Jun 2020 15:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (02 Jul 2020 10:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jul 2020 16:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (02 Jul 2020 19:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (02 Jul 2020 18:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (04 Jul 2020 09:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (04 Jul 2020 13:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (05 Jul 2020 06:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas RUX (05 Jul 2020 23:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 17:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Vareck Bostrom (28 Jun 2020 18:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jun 2020 19:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Vareck Bostrom (28 Jun 2020 21:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Bruce Johnson (29 Jun 2020 03:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Vareck Bostrom (29 Jun 2020 03:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Rupert Boleyn (29 Jun 2020 09:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (01 Jul 2020 06:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 11:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 11:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin (28 Jun 2020 11:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Thomas Jones-Low (28 Jun 2020 12:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 12:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Phil Pugliese (30 Jun 2020 23:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Jeff Zeitlin (30 Jun 2020 23:41 UTC)

Re: [TML] Waving Hands Over The Jump Drive Alex Goodwin 28 Jun 2020 05:22 UTC

On 28/6/20 1:25 pm, Thomas Jones-Low wrote:
> This is brilliant. 
>
> The other thing to keep in mind is developing the Jump Drive is a
> difficult challenge. It’s only been done seven times in in the history
> of Charted Space. Based on the outcomes of the misjumps and a few
> other statements, the process of entering jump space is an unstable,
> chaotic one. You, the Astrogator and the computer system you are using
> need to know a number of factors to a high degree accuracy. 
>
> Factors would include the gravitational stress at the point on
> entrance ( the 100D limit), exit (same as before), the stability of
> the field generated for entrance, and any known potential masses along
> the flight path. 
>
> The use of unrefined fuel causes fluctuations in the power output of
> the BHHR, or in the density of the bubble. Which causes the jump field
> to fluctuate, and cause the misjumps. Scout and military ships avoid
> the problem simply by overbuilding the power systems and overcharging
> the hull grid. 
>
> In some cases the misjumps cause the field to collapse. In others the
> unstable wormhole leaps off in an unexpected direction through space
> time. The reason you can’t just repeat the misjump to extend the range
> of a normal jump is the initial conditions are not known with enough
> accuracy to safely replicate. And get them a little wrong, and you end
> up as a spray of quarks at the far end. 
>
> This is in fact the reason it’s so difficult to build a jump drive.
> The basic equations applied show the process won’t work. It’s not
> stable, and very dangerous. 
>
> There was a discussion earlier about aliens being amazed at the risks
> humans would take. Jump Drives are a version of that. No one who
> understands the jump space equations ever wants to fly in a ship, the
> margin for error is just too small.

Thomas,

By "chaotic", are you meaning "extremely sensitive to initial
conditions", especially in the misjump regime(s)?  Like near-Heisenberg
sensitivity?

Maybe for a quote, and riffing somewhat off Paul Dirac (on quantum gubbins):

"Those who aren't terrified by jumpspace physics don't understand it."-
Dr Elderly Distinguished-Scientist

"The first step to understanding jumpspace is sheer terror." - Dr
Elderly Distinguished-Scientist

"The second step to understanding jumpspace is recovering from the
maths." - Ten-Yeared Graduate-Student

I get the impression that discovering Jump independently would be a
massive exercise in Zen - multiple, apparently-mutually-contradictory,
things that combine to point and laugh at what you _think_ you know.

Now you've gotten me interested at figuring out how TL Foo's "misjump"
becomes TL (Foo + N)'s "higher performance drive".