System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (09 Aug 2020 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas Jones-Low (09 Aug 2020 20:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Jeff Zeitlin (09 Aug 2020 22:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) greg caires (09 Aug 2020 23:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Jeff Zeitlin (10 Aug 2020 00:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) greg caires (10 Aug 2020 00:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 00:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Timothy Collinson (10 Aug 2020 07:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Greg Nokes (10 Aug 2020 17:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 00:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas RUX (10 Aug 2020 02:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 02:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas RUX (10 Aug 2020 14:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas Jones-Low (10 Aug 2020 03:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Greg Nokes (10 Aug 2020 04:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 06:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 06:00 UTC)

Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Jeff Zeitlin 09 Aug 2020 22:37 UTC

I should note that the March/April 2020 issue of Freelance Traveller had
Benedikt Schwarz's take on SAR. You can read the article in the PDF for
that issue, or at
https://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/preproom/starport/03sar.html

I wouldn't object if someone wanted to do a SAR career for Traveller (any
version), or work up some rules for actually conducting SAR operations as
[part of] an adventure...

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:24:47 -0400, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:

>	I've just been spending a fair amount of time reading through GT:Starports in
>pursuit of updating the wiki articles on starports (and connected articles).
>
>	Also, there was/is an ongoing campaign with the Imperial Scout Rescue service,
>which may provide ideas and background.
>1) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40189
>2) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40406
>3) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=41149
>
>	Based upon my reading of GT:Starports, the Imperium generally, and the Starport
>Authority specifically, is tasked only with running the port. Which pushes the
>idea of a system coast guard service onto the system government itself. Services
>are paid for by local taxes as the system government has no ability to raise
>money from the ships conducting trade by Imperial decree.
>
>	Officially.
>
>	What is more likely is the local SPA director has several of your really neat
>designs available to perform specific SAR operations, and do some level of
>customs work.
>
>	The Imperium allows worlds to build a local naval force. But given the Imperial
>Navy outclasses almost anything a local system could build and maintain, and
>most worlds are far enough from the border that the Imperial Navy should protect
>them, raising a system guard naval force may sound like a really good idea.
>Especially if there are colonies or stations on other worlds in the same system.
>
>	The SPA can't charge post-fact charges for services rendered, but the world
>government could.
>
>On 8/9/2020 3:50 PM, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The discussion of the Coast Guards in various places and particularly of the
>> USCG has led me to wonder what typical system wide rescue and system LE/security
>> might look like.
>>
>> I would assume that such a thing might start to exist once you'd been spacing
>> for a while and could get out to the various planets and belts and so on with
>> some ease enough to see some populations out there regularly and on a
>> sustainable basis.
>>
>> So such an entity might start to be relevant around TL-9, but TL-10 would likely
>> be where it started to be more robust and be justified in the economy and in
>> security terms.
>>
>> SG-SR would have several broad mandates:
>>
>>   * Law enforcement of system-wide laws. In Imperial space, they could be in
>>     addition to Imperial enforcement, work in conjunction with Imperial
>>     enforcement, or they could even largely shoulder the burden to allow
>>     Imperial assets (other than some inspectors/monitors) to be allocated
>>     elsewhere. Local naval elements could assist SG-SR, be an parallel structure
>>     in terms of this mandate, or direct SG-SR depending on agencies and their
>>     heirarchies. In some particularly peaceful regions, some planets may not
>>     even retain a system navy but instead have an SG-SR. There would be
>>     integration/cooperation generally with local and Imperial law enforcement
>>     around ports-of-entry, stations, and such like.
>>
>>   * Providing security within the system - investigating crimes beyond the
>>     mainworlds, pursuing and/or deterring piracy or barratry, securing stations,
>>     high ports, and other sensitive system or Imperial assets (details would
>>     vary depending on relationship of planet and Imperial government likely via
>>     the charter that brought the planet into the Imperium). This also would
>>     include security inspections of vessels, checks on the bona fides and
>>     qualifications of ships and their crews, enforcement of safety and traffic
>>     laws at times, and setting up temporary or permanent exclusion zones (to
>>     avoid a danger for one reason, others exist) and for deploying aides to
>>     navigation as necessary and maintaining them.
>>
>>   * Conducting Intelligence work that falls within the mandate of protecting
>>     ports, shipping, and so on related to system travel and commerce.
>>
>>   * Search and rescue everywhere but on mainworlds - space search and rescue,
>>     search and rescue on moons, small colonies, space habitats/stations, etc.
>>     throughout the system.
>>
>>   * In times of conflict, SG-SR vessels and personnel could be seconded to
>>     either the system navy or the Imperial Navy.
>>
>>   * May be seconded to assist in system-related science (schlepping boffins and
>>     gear around, helping get the boffins near stellar or planetary environments
>>     without losing them, etc). This could include some periodic system surveys
>>     for any changes in the worlds/objects in the system and/or concerns that may
>>     require warnings to be posted.
>>
>> What sorts of space-going assets would be involved:
>>
>>   * Small fast response vessels - 500 tons or less - with a J-2 capacity
>>     primarily used for fast in-system deployment and evacuation of injured to
>>     stations/worlds/etc. that have better and more advanced medical options, and
>>     with a thrust of 3gs or more (once wounded are embarked, no more than 0.75
>>     or so perceivable gravities would be applied). Likely bearing a turret or
>>     two to deter some threats, but mostly focused on medical response. High
>>     quality sensors and computers would be used to do fast, accurate searches.
>>     There would be one or more modular cutters with casualty evacuation
>>     configurations available. Would have a loaded rack of dropable traffic
>>     beacons and/or sensor platforms to increase search capacity.
>>
>>   * Medium sized response vessels - Small hospital ship - a J-2 capacity vessel
>>     with thrust of at J-3 (again limited with wounded embarked) and that would
>>     include one or more surgical blocks (ORs, decontam, isolation, ICU and
>>     standard beds, autodocs, nurses, parameds, doctors). A few turrets just for
>>     basic deterrence, a situation room/fleet command capacity so good comms,
>>     decent to high end sensors to help in searches and coordination of larger
>>     responses. Also would have the ability to drop traffic beacons and sensor
>>     platforms. Includes multiple offloading mechanisms (cutters, straight
>>     docking, close-in assisted line crossings, etc). Would respond to more major
>>     incidents or help to coordinate many smaller vessels for a search of a lot
>>     of space/ground.
>>
>>   * Fast Pursuit Vessels - 500 tons or less. Thrust 6 Gees, Jump 2 for similar
>>     reasons as above, full complement of weapons, high end sensors for pursuing
>>     and tracking vessels and other spacial objects that are of concern related
>>     to security or law enforcement concerns. Includes SG boarding parties who
>>     are specialists in ship boarding and inspection for security reasons.
>>     Includes at least one armed auxilliary able to deploy up to 16 boarders (two
>>     teams). These vessels would be able to help in a search with their sensors
>>     and could help with the security / traffic management during a large
>>     disaster, but would have a primary role in going after fugitives and
>>     inspecting vessels flagged as a potential threat to security.
>>
>>   * System Tugs - J-2 wth capacity to bring back other ships on the return leg.
>>     May be over 1000 tons. May be smaller ones that can provide a real-space
>>     tow. Their job is to help get damaged or hazardous vessels or objects moved
>>     to safer places for rescue/repair/disposal.
>>
>>   * Tender - 400 to 600 tons - for deploying and maintaining (including annual
>>     PMs) navigation aides, system sensor buoys, search platforms, science
>>     platforms, and sometimes recovering or fixing in situ smaller SG-SR vessels
>>     that have experienced serious problems that preclude them jumping of
>>     thrusting to a repair destination.
>>
>> Funding would have a component derived from all corporations operating in or
>> passing through the system (a fee charged to ships or enterprises in the system
>> or passing through), some portion of mainworld and corporate businesses in the
>> system (because it is a public service), and perhaps in some places, they may
>> require payments after the fact for their services to help sustain operations.
>>
>> THoughts?
>>
>>
>>
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