System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (09 Aug 2020 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas Jones-Low (09 Aug 2020 20:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Jeff Zeitlin (09 Aug 2020 22:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) greg caires (09 Aug 2020 23:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Jeff Zeitlin (10 Aug 2020 00:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) greg caires (10 Aug 2020 00:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 00:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Timothy Collinson (10 Aug 2020 07:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Greg Nokes (10 Aug 2020 17:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 00:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas RUX (10 Aug 2020 02:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 02:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas RUX (10 Aug 2020 14:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Thomas Jones-Low (10 Aug 2020 03:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) Greg Nokes (10 Aug 2020 04:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 06:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 06:00 UTC)

Re: [TML] System Guard - Search and Rescue (SG-SR) greg caires 09 Aug 2020 23:04 UTC

Hang on- the Sappers perform the Rescue function!

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Caires sends via iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Jeff Zeitlin <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com> wrote:
>
> I should note that the March/April 2020 issue of Freelance Traveller had
> Benedikt Schwarz's take on SAR. You can read the article in the PDF for
> that issue, or at
> https://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/preproom/starport/03sar.html
>
> I wouldn't object if someone wanted to do a SAR career for Traveller (any
> version), or work up some rules for actually conducting SAR operations as
> [part of] an adventure...
>
>
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:24:47 -0400, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    I've just been spending a fair amount of time reading through GT:Starports in
>> pursuit of updating the wiki articles on starports (and connected articles).
>>
>>    Also, there was/is an ongoing campaign with the Imperial Scout Rescue service,
>> which may provide ideas and background.
>> 1) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40189
>> 2) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40406
>> 3) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=41149
>>
>>    Based upon my reading of GT:Starports, the Imperium generally, and the Starport
>> Authority specifically, is tasked only with running the port. Which pushes the
>> idea of a system coast guard service onto the system government itself. Services
>> are paid for by local taxes as the system government has no ability to raise
>> money from the ships conducting trade by Imperial decree.
>>
>>    Officially.
>>
>>    What is more likely is the local SPA director has several of your really neat
>> designs available to perform specific SAR operations, and do some level of
>> customs work.
>>
>>    The Imperium allows worlds to build a local naval force. But given the Imperial
>> Navy outclasses almost anything a local system could build and maintain, and
>> most worlds are far enough from the border that the Imperial Navy should protect
>> them, raising a system guard naval force may sound like a really good idea.
>> Especially if there are colonies or stations on other worlds in the same system.
>>
>>    The SPA can't charge post-fact charges for services rendered, but the world
>> government could.
>>
>>> On 8/9/2020 3:50 PM, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The discussion of the Coast Guards in various places and particularly of the
>>> USCG has led me to wonder what typical system wide rescue and system LE/security
>>> might look like.
>>>
>>> I would assume that such a thing might start to exist once you'd been spacing
>>> for a while and could get out to the various planets and belts and so on with
>>> some ease enough to see some populations out there regularly and on a
>>> sustainable basis.
>>>
>>> So such an entity might start to be relevant around TL-9, but TL-10 would likely
>>> be where it started to be more robust and be justified in the economy and in
>>> security terms.
>>>
>>> SG-SR would have several broad mandates:
>>>
>>>  * Law enforcement of system-wide laws. In Imperial space, they could be in
>>>    addition to Imperial enforcement, work in conjunction with Imperial
>>>    enforcement, or they could even largely shoulder the burden to allow
>>>    Imperial assets (other than some inspectors/monitors) to be allocated
>>>    elsewhere. Local naval elements could assist SG-SR, be an parallel structure
>>>    in terms of this mandate, or direct SG-SR depending on agencies and their
>>>    heirarchies. In some particularly peaceful regions, some planets may not
>>>    even retain a system navy but instead have an SG-SR. There would be
>>>    integration/cooperation generally with local and Imperial law enforcement
>>>    around ports-of-entry, stations, and such like.
>>>
>>>  * Providing security within the system - investigating crimes beyond the
>>>    mainworlds, pursuing and/or deterring piracy or barratry, securing stations,
>>>    high ports, and other sensitive system or Imperial assets (details would
>>>    vary depending on relationship of planet and Imperial government likely via
>>>    the charter that brought the planet into the Imperium). This also would
>>>    include security inspections of vessels, checks on the bona fides and
>>>    qualifications of ships and their crews, enforcement of safety and traffic
>>>    laws at times, and setting up temporary or permanent exclusion zones (to
>>>    avoid a danger for one reason, others exist) and for deploying aides to
>>>    navigation as necessary and maintaining them.
>>>
>>>  * Conducting Intelligence work that falls within the mandate of protecting
>>>    ports, shipping, and so on related to system travel and commerce.
>>>
>>>  * Search and rescue everywhere but on mainworlds - space search and rescue,
>>>    search and rescue on moons, small colonies, space habitats/stations, etc.
>>>    throughout the system.
>>>
>>>  * In times of conflict, SG-SR vessels and personnel could be seconded to
>>>    either the system navy or the Imperial Navy.
>>>
>>>  * May be seconded to assist in system-related science (schlepping boffins and
>>>    gear around, helping get the boffins near stellar or planetary environments
>>>    without losing them, etc). This could include some periodic system surveys
>>>    for any changes in the worlds/objects in the system and/or concerns that may
>>>    require warnings to be posted.
>>>
>>> What sorts of space-going assets would be involved:
>>>
>>>  * Small fast response vessels - 500 tons or less - with a J-2 capacity
>>>    primarily used for fast in-system deployment and evacuation of injured to
>>>    stations/worlds/etc. that have better and more advanced medical options, and
>>>    with a thrust of 3gs or more (once wounded are embarked, no more than 0.75
>>>    or so perceivable gravities would be applied). Likely bearing a turret or
>>>    two to deter some threats, but mostly focused on medical response. High
>>>    quality sensors and computers would be used to do fast, accurate searches.
>>>    There would be one or more modular cutters with casualty evacuation
>>>    configurations available. Would have a loaded rack of dropable traffic
>>>    beacons and/or sensor platforms to increase search capacity.
>>>
>>>  * Medium sized response vessels - Small hospital ship - a J-2 capacity vessel
>>>    with thrust of at J-3 (again limited with wounded embarked) and that would
>>>    include one or more surgical blocks (ORs, decontam, isolation, ICU and
>>>    standard beds, autodocs, nurses, parameds, doctors). A few turrets just for
>>>    basic deterrence, a situation room/fleet command capacity so good comms,
>>>    decent to high end sensors to help in searches and coordination of larger
>>>    responses. Also would have the ability to drop traffic beacons and sensor
>>>    platforms. Includes multiple offloading mechanisms (cutters, straight
>>>    docking, close-in assisted line crossings, etc). Would respond to more major
>>>    incidents or help to coordinate many smaller vessels for a search of a lot
>>>    of space/ground.
>>>
>>>  * Fast Pursuit Vessels - 500 tons or less. Thrust 6 Gees, Jump 2 for similar
>>>    reasons as above, full complement of weapons, high end sensors for pursuing
>>>    and tracking vessels and other spacial objects that are of concern related
>>>    to security or law enforcement concerns. Includes SG boarding parties who
>>>    are specialists in ship boarding and inspection for security reasons.
>>>    Includes at least one armed auxilliary able to deploy up to 16 boarders (two
>>>    teams). These vessels would be able to help in a search with their sensors
>>>    and could help with the security / traffic management during a large
>>>    disaster, but would have a primary role in going after fugitives and
>>>    inspecting vessels flagged as a potential threat to security.
>>>
>>>  * System Tugs - J-2 wth capacity to bring back other ships on the return leg.
>>>    May be over 1000 tons. May be smaller ones that can provide a real-space
>>>    tow. Their job is to help get damaged or hazardous vessels or objects moved
>>>    to safer places for rescue/repair/disposal.
>>>
>>>  * Tender - 400 to 600 tons - for deploying and maintaining (including annual
>>>    PMs) navigation aides, system sensor buoys, search platforms, science
>>>    platforms, and sometimes recovering or fixing in situ smaller SG-SR vessels
>>>    that have experienced serious problems that preclude them jumping of
>>>    thrusting to a repair destination.
>>>
>>> Funding would have a component derived from all corporations operating in or
>>> passing through the system (a fee charged to ships or enterprises in the system
>>> or passing through), some portion of mainworld and corporate businesses in the
>>> system (because it is a public service), and perhaps in some places, they may
>>> require payments after the fact for their services to help sustain operations.
>>>
>>> THoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Aristotle
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