Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 14:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 15:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 16:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 18:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 18:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 19:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (07 Oct 2014 19:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (07 Oct 2014 23:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 12:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 21:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (08 Oct 2014 21:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 22:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 21:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kurt Feltenberger (08 Oct 2014 22:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (08 Oct 2014 23:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? tmr0195@xxxxxx (09 Oct 2014 00:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (08 Oct 2014 21:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 01:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 05:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (09 Oct 2014 02:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 08:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 09:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 20:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Ian Whitchurch (09 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (10 Oct 2014 10:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (15 Oct 2014 00:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Evyn MacDude (09 Oct 2014 20:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Joseph Hallare (09 Oct 2014 23:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (09 Oct 2014 18:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2014 17:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (09 Oct 2014 13:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (07 Oct 2014 21:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Craig Berry (07 Oct 2014 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Kelly St. Clair (07 Oct 2014 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Evyn MacDude (07 Oct 2014 22:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Tim (09 Oct 2014 01:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Richard Aiken (08 Oct 2014 13:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Bruce Johnson (07 Oct 2014 18:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Jeffrey Schwartz (07 Oct 2014 18:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Phil Pugliese (07 Oct 2014 18:43 UTC)

Re: [TML] Why do those big ships carry so many fighters? Tim 09 Oct 2014 01:06 UTC

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 08:14:21AM -0500, Grimmund wrote:
> OTOH, aerodynamic control surfaces *may* allow tighter maneuvers
> than a a 6g brick might otherwise manage.

Yes, they would -- if they were large and strong enough.

For example, that brick in my example could be given wings with a span
roughly equal to the length of the rest of the vehicle, and do
something like a 12 g turn instead of being limited to a 6 g turn.
The problem would be that those relatively thin structures would have
to support something like 10^7 Nm of torque during the maneuver.  So
they can't be too thin, even with advanced materials tech.

Aerodynamic surfaces that are small in comparison with the craft's
basic hull area will have insignificant maneuvering effect compared
with the thrusters.  At best, they'll be a backup for maintaining
orientation for the craft in case grav lift is still active but
maneuvering thrusters are inoperable.

If grav lift is also out, they won't be nearly sufficient to prevent a
transsonic ground encounter.

- Tim