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For some reason, & the 1st time in a looong time, this one did NOT wind up in my spam folder.

However, the previous one a few days ago did go into the spam folder.

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On Fri, 4/22/16, xxxxxx@shadowgard.com <xxxxxx@shadowgard.com> wrote:

 Subject: me winding up in spam (was Re: [TML] Please stop breaking threads!)
 To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
 Date: Friday, April 22, 2016, 2:01 AM

 On 22 Apr 2016 at 1:08,
 John Geoffrey wrote:

 >
 Besides the threadbreaking by Phil I also noticed that
 Leonard
 > Erickson's (shadow's)
 mails keep getting filtered by the gmail spam
 > filter. I am not really sure why, I must
 have whitelisted his email half
 > a
 dozen times already. But of course those break the threads
 for me as well.

 Whitelisting won't help.

 What's happening is that
 the TML's mailing list server is still
 incompatible with the "new world"
 forced upon us by DMARC/DKIM.

 Any mail from a site that has DMARC enabled
 (and thus generates a
 DKIM entry in the
 header) will either wind up in your spam directory,
 or never be delivered at all.

 Since my site had to go to
 DMARC compliance because of the list I'm
 hosting, mail mail has those.

 It goes into "spam"
 because the setting for my system is
 "quarantine". For Yahoo it's
 something else (delete?), which is why
 the
 TML had to add that kludge for Yahoo addresses.

 To quit having my posts (and
 likely others) wind up in spam (and
 others
 you aren't seeing geting bounced). The list has to
 change to
 having the list address as the
 sender of *all* list forwarded stuff.,
 not
 just for yahoo users.

 That's what I had to do with my list.

 I'm running Mailman
 2.1.16. Which as I understand is the minimum
 version of Mailman to be able to get around the
 DMARC/DKIM problem.

 If I
 was running 2.1.18 there are somewhat better ways to deal
 with
 it. Still a kludge.

 But I had to get the guy
 running my host to add a config line for
 mailman, then stop and restart the list server.
 Then and only then
 could I access the
 config settings required to make Mailman kludge
 things properly (essentially what the list
 currently does for yahoo
 originated
 messages, only without all the added text).

 Anybody having to retrieve my
 posts from your spam folder, please
 send a
 copy of the message INCLUDING FULL HEADERS to the
 list-mom.

 List-mom said
 he'd look into it, but I haven't heard anything
 back.

 ps. DMARC/DKIM *does*
 help with spam. Having it set up for my domain
 not only dropped the amount of spam arriving
 for my domain from
 dozens of messages a
 week per user to less than a dozen a month.

 I also get notices of mail
 being rejected by some system because it
 *claims* to be from (non-existent) addresses in
 my domain but doesn't
 have the right
 DMARC/DKIM signature in the headers.

 Alas, I also get ones from AOL, gmail, yahoo
 and other major players
 indicating that
 stuff gets rejected. But since they are summaries I
 can't pin down the individual messages,
 just that they aren't
 rejecting posts
 from *my* list anymore.

 --
 Leonard Erickson (aka
 shadow)
 shadow at shadowgard dot com

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