Musings on Maneuver Drive Robert O'Connor (17 Dec 2017 04:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (17 Dec 2017 11:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (18 Dec 2017 08:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive C. Berry (18 Dec 2017 21:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (20 Dec 2017 09:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive C. Berry (20 Dec 2017 16:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Jerry Barrington (20 Dec 2017 17:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Jerry Barrington (20 Dec 2017 17:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive C. Berry (20 Dec 2017 17:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Thomas RUX (21 Dec 2017 04:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (21 Dec 2017 06:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Kelly St. Clair (21 Dec 2017 06:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (21 Dec 2017 06:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Phil Pugliese (21 Dec 2017 18:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Thomas RUX (21 Dec 2017 21:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Kurt Feltenberger (21 Dec 2017 23:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Jerry Barrington (23 Dec 2017 13:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Edward Swatschek (22 Dec 2017 01:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Phil Pugliese (22 Dec 2017 05:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (21 Dec 2017 06:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (21 Dec 2017 06:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (22 Dec 2017 07:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Richard Aiken (22 Dec 2017 12:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (23 Dec 2017 04:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Tim (23 Dec 2017 07:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive shadow@xxxxxx (24 Dec 2017 13:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Tim (25 Dec 2017 00:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Robert O'Connor (25 Dec 2017 04:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive shadow@xxxxxx (01 Jan 2018 03:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (02 Jan 2018 03:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive shadow@xxxxxx (02 Jan 2018 19:40 UTC)

Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor 18 Dec 2017 08:50 UTC

First, I made a mistake.
I wrote:
 > In Traveller: The New Era TL 15 fusion consumes 100L per 6MW-years
 > or 6/1400 = 0.43%

This should be 6/140 or 4.3%. 1L hydrogen = 1.4MW-years fusion power.
Still not very good in terms of power plant performance.

Richard Aiken wrote:
 > So . . . when I give my Fireflyesque multi-function reaction engines
 > enough on-board fuel endurance to handle 4 round trips to jump point
 > and back from a typical planet for ~5% of ship volume, I'm in the
 > right ballpark, physics-wise?

Hmm.
Using the first row of the travel time table in MT Ref's Companion (p.21):
.28 days at 1G, .2 at 2G, .16 at 3G, .14 at 4G, .12 at 5G, .11 at 6G
equals 6.72, 9.6, 12, 13.44, 14.4 and 15.84 G-hours respectively.

4 round trips = 8x above G-hour figures.

Reaction drives that only need 5% of ship volume in fuel to get
multi-G-hour performance are unlikely, thinking about the standard
rocket equation. [delta-v = exhaust velocity x ln(initial mass/final
mass), where ln = log to base e]

I get required delta-v on the order of 1930-4500km/sec assuming 4 round
trips over the 1-6G acceleration range.

5% volume implies (initial mass/final mass) gets close to one. If the
fuel is liquid hydrogen, the mass is about 0.4%. So ln(1/0.996) is
~0.004.... The required exhaust velocity exceeds the speed of light.

You're going to need lots more fuel.

I decided to push things to the limit with my previous post. What would
it take to get the performance level required?

Direct conversion of most of the fuel's mass-energy to kinetic energy.
Exhaust (waste energy) is a plume of neutrinos to avoid too many
unpleasant interactions with nearby matter.

180G-hours thrust? 0.4% of the volume of the hull is fuel. 3 parts per
10,000 mass units is fuel.

Rob O'Connor