I think we would want to know law level, government, water and atmosphere. Is star town a haven from tyranny (Casablanca?) or a mildly sinful entertainment center (Vegas?) or a truly dangerous place (mos eisley). Is it under a dome? Is it surrounded by a fence or a massive wall? Are people pleading to get in, tunneling to he’ll get in, or can they come and go freely?

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> On Feb 24, 2021, at 6:37 AM, Jeff Zeitlin <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:21:41 -0600, greg caires <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff to do this I think we need to start with the planet’s UPP. That will
>> help us understand the juxtaposition of the starport/town. Can you please
>> generate some please? I think this is a fun idea.
>
> This is a good point; I haven't actually worked up a firm UWP. I would say
> that a 'hard' UWP isn't really necessary, though; rather, any world that
> would be a "terrestrial shirtsleeve environment" should do the trick.
>
> (Note that any renderings won't be able to show e.g., grav vehicles or
> starships; the program in question really only supports a TL7-8 type of
> environment. For those that are interested, it's _Cities in Motion_, from
> Paradox Interactive, with a couple of minor usermods.)
>
>
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>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2021, at 6:53 PM, Jeff Zeitlin <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?A year or five ago, I floated the idea of a shared-setting _Tales of
>>> Startown_, conceptually similar to _Thieves' World_, but set in a Traveller
>>> startown on a world where the startown was built as a roughly TL8 city
>>> (because I have a program that can do renderings of city scenes from such a
>>> setting).
>>>
>>> I _think_ I'm coming around to a point where I can think about perhaps
>>> considering the idea of resurrecting the idea. It'll help if you will...
>>>
>>> I'd like some ideas from you. I can detail the city accurately as long as
>>> it fits within a square 15.5km on a side. That's almost the size of
>>> Washington DC plus Alexandria VA!
>>>
>>> I figure the port will be a Class C port, somewhat off the largest trade
>>> routes, but not necessarily a complete backwater. Although C ports don't
>>> generally have highports associated with them, I don't rule it out - but
>>> startown includes/is associated with the downport, and the highport
>>> shouldn't be a central feature if it's decided that it exists.
>>>
>>> So... I'd appreciate it if people would work up ideas for the *general*
>>> layout and character of the port and city - where, in that square, is the
>>> port, how big is it, what is the character (e.g., steel-and-glass offices,
>>> industrial, brownstones, detached housing, semidetached housing,
>>> apartments, retail, etc.) of which neighborhoods where relative to such
>>> features as the port itself, rivers, sea/lakeshores, etc.... how do streets
>>> line up with adjacent areas? through streets or cul-de-sacs? Highways?
>>> Railroads? Trams? Monorails? Bus lines? Metro (elevated, surface,
>>> underground?)? Parks? Tourist attractions? Entertainment facilites? Slums?
>>> Shantytowns? Without going into detail, what is the layout of the major
>>> thoroughfares? Is the extrality line a fence, a Berlin-type wall, a
>>> notional line on the ground?
>>>
>>> Ideally, sketch it out and label it, scan it, and email it to me with any
>>> additional text notes you feel appropriate.
>>>
>>> I'll go through them all, and pick and choose what I like, and put together
>>> an amalgam of features. Then, I'll detail a couple of areas, put together
>>> some notes, and make them available for people to use when they write their
>>> stories for the _Tales_ (which will be published in FT and posted in a
>>> separate section of Raconteurs' Rest). I won't detail everything; that will
>>> be left to be done by the stories as needed, just as was done with
>>> _Thieves' World_'s Sanctuary.
>>>
>>> DON'T FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAN ON BEING AN AUTHOR IN ORDER TO BE A CITY
>>> PLANNER! DON'T FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A CITY PLANNER IN ORDER TO BE AN
>>> AUTHOR! You don't; some people have talents in one direction, some in
>>> another.
>>>
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