The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Freelance Traveller (02 Oct 2014 19:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (05 Oct 2014 07:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Freelance Traveller (05 Oct 2014 12:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (07 Oct 2014 05:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (07 Oct 2014 06:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Kenneth Barns (07 Oct 2014 10:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (08 Oct 2014 03:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Joseph Hallare (08 Oct 2014 05:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Kenneth Barns (09 Oct 2014 11:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (08 Oct 2014 12:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (09 Oct 2014 02:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (09 Oct 2014 10:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Kenneth Barns (09 Oct 2014 12:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Ros Knox & Michael Barry (09 Oct 2014 15:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (10 Oct 2014 07:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (11 Oct 2014 11:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (12 Oct 2014 05:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (12 Oct 2014 07:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (13 Oct 2014 03:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (14 Oct 2014 04:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Phil Pugliese (14 Oct 2014 16:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Freelance Traveller (14 Oct 2014 18:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (14 Oct 2014 23:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (14 Oct 2014 23:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim (14 Oct 2014 23:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Richard Aiken (15 Oct 2014 00:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Kenneth Barns (10 Oct 2014 10:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Andrew Long (10 Oct 2014 11:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Phil Pugliese (10 Oct 2014 14:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Phil Pugliese (10 Oct 2014 14:00 UTC)

Re: [TML] The Vilani, Gnosis, and Psionics Tim 09 Oct 2014 02:32 UTC

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 08:51:17AM -0400, Richard Aiken wrote:
> Of course, even my "drizzling" Siru Zirka was forced to stop growing
> eventually, since there was also an upper limit to how large even it's
> loose alliance could get, without passing beyond the point where it would
> be too large to control to *any* significant degree.

I find the "one government to one species" trope to be ridiculous,
frankly.  Traveller certainly isn't the worst offender in that regard,
as it holds only imperfectly there, but it does hold to an
uncomfortably large extent.

So why should the Vilani species have the one government implied by
your statement "too large to control"?  The people, planets, and
states don't need to be all under the control of the same central
authority.  When it gets "too large", sure it might develop into
separate states, some on friendly terms and others not so much.  That
seems perfectly natural.

The opposite of natural is a single state growing by orders of
magnitude but remaining essentially unified for 4000 years.  Then
almost as soon as they discover jump-2, they conquer all their
neighbours in almost continuous wars over the subsequent 1500 years
(without any serious internal divisions in all that conquered
territory) and nobody else reverse-engineers or develops jump-2
themselves for 3000 years despite being much more dynamic and
innovative (which was what half the wars were about, supposedly).
Then those pesky Terrans invent it themselves within a hundredth of
that time and exceed it in a twentieth, conquering the whole empire as
a result.  Go Terrans.  Yay.

- Tim