1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 03:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (27 Sep 2017 03:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 21:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (28 Sep 2017 00:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (28 Sep 2017 02:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 13:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (27 Sep 2017 03:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (27 Sep 2017 05:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (28 Sep 2017 01:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (27 Sep 2017 19:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 19:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (28 Sep 2017 17:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 17:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (28 Sep 2017 21:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (28 Sep 2017 22:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 22:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (29 Sep 2017 02:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (29 Sep 2017 20:26 UTC)
Re: 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (28 Sep 2017 14:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 15:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (29 Sep 2017 18:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 23:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (29 Sep 2017 23:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (30 Sep 2017 00:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (30 Sep 2017 21:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (30 Sep 2017 23:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (01 Oct 2017 02:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (01 Oct 2017 03:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (03 Oct 2017 12:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (09 Oct 2017 10:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2017 12:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 16:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (09 Oct 2017 18:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (09 Oct 2017 21:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (04 Oct 2017 02:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 05:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 05:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (05 Oct 2017 08:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 14:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 23:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (06 Oct 2017 00:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (06 Oct 2017 05:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 06:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (05 Oct 2017 05:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (06 Oct 2017 09:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (07 Oct 2017 04:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (08 Oct 2017 20:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (09 Oct 2017 01:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (09 Oct 2017 22:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (10 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (14 Oct 2017 09:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (14 Oct 2017 17:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Colin paddock (16 Oct 2017 06:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (16 Oct 2017 16:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (17 Oct 2017 11:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (17 Oct 2017 11:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx 08 Oct 2017 20:41 UTC

On 4 Oct 2017 at 20:12, Evyn MacDude wrote:

> 2nd Take-offs and landings are much simpler, streamlining becomes
> optional. Primarily it is for ships that do lots of high speed lower
> atmospheric maneuvering. (Hint, if a balloon can reach orbit so can a
> unstreamlined ship).

A balloon can't reach orbit. It can barely reach the lower edge of
orbital altitude. Max altitude attained by a balloon is 53km. That's
a long ways from a viable oribital altitude.

Also, a balloon *is* streamlined. Or at least "neutral" with respect
to wind forces.

Unstreamlined craft have trouble in atmosphere not just because of
high velocity. At lower velocities they'll have problems with wind
loading.

Unless the center of pressure (the point at which aerodynamic forces
"center" as determined by the shape of the hull) is behind the center
of gravity (where inertial forces center, determind by mass
distribution) with respect to the direction of travel, wind forces
and the forces from motion thru the air will try to change the
orientation of the ship until the CP *is* behind the CG.

Worse, if they are too close together, the ship may have a tendency
to "tumble" in the relative airstream.

This kind of thing is how semis running empty or with a light load
get blown over or otherwise messed up in strog crosswinds.

--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com