1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 03:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (27 Sep 2017 03:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 21:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (28 Sep 2017 00:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (28 Sep 2017 02:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 13:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (27 Sep 2017 03:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (27 Sep 2017 05:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (28 Sep 2017 01:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (27 Sep 2017 19:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 19:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (28 Sep 2017 17:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 17:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (28 Sep 2017 21:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (28 Sep 2017 22:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 22:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (29 Sep 2017 02:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (29 Sep 2017 20:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 15:59 UTC)
Re: 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (28 Sep 2017 14:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (29 Sep 2017 18:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 23:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (29 Sep 2017 23:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (30 Sep 2017 00:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (30 Sep 2017 21:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (30 Sep 2017 23:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (01 Oct 2017 02:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (01 Oct 2017 03:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (03 Oct 2017 12:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (04 Oct 2017 02:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 05:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 05:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (05 Oct 2017 08:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 14:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 23:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (06 Oct 2017 00:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (06 Oct 2017 05:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 06:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (05 Oct 2017 05:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (06 Oct 2017 09:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (07 Oct 2017 04:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (08 Oct 2017 20:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (09 Oct 2017 01:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (09 Oct 2017 10:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2017 12:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 16:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (09 Oct 2017 18:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (09 Oct 2017 21:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (09 Oct 2017 22:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (10 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (14 Oct 2017 09:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (14 Oct 2017 17:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Colin paddock (16 Oct 2017 06:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (16 Oct 2017 16:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (17 Oct 2017 11:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (17 Oct 2017 11:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim 09 Oct 2017 01:13 UTC

On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 01:41:04PM -0700,  (via tml list) wrote:
> Unstreamlined craft have trouble in atmosphere not just because of
> high velocity. At lower velocities they'll have problems with wind
> loading.

They really won't.  Traveller starships have enormous sectional
densities and moments of inertia compared with any real-life vehicles
of comparable size (and most buildings, for that matter).

Even the smallest and lightest starships are more comparable to huge
flying bricks than to any aircraft.  Any intuition developed from
real-world vehicle operation has no applicability here.  The numbers
given by the physics involved show that until you get to transsonic
speeds in dense atmosphere, aerodynamic forces have negligible effect
on the motion of Traveller starships.  At worst, some particularly
fragile external equipment might be damaged if it was designed to
never enter atmosphere.

> Worse, if they are too close together, the ship may have a tendency
> to "tumble" in the relative airstream.

A tendency that is extremely small and very slow due to the moment of
inertia of a Traveller starship, and trivially correctable due to the
maneuvering forces available.

> This kind of thing is how semis running empty or with a light load
> get blown over or otherwise messed up in strog crosswinds.

Not really.  That is mostly caused by interactions between large,
complicated and rapidly changing contact forces of rolling tyres on
the ground with the wind forces.

Traveller starships have no contact forces to disrupt and are much
less affected by aerodynamic forces in any event.  Winds that would
outright lift a fully loaded semitrailer off the ground, would cause
even the lightest Traveller starship merely some very slight tendency
to drift.

- Tim