Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Apr 2020 11:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin (28 Apr 2020 12:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Timothy Collinson (28 Apr 2020 13:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 13:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin (28 Apr 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Apr 2020 22:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Kenneth Barns (28 Apr 2020 22:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Graham Donald (29 Apr 2020 01:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Apr 2020 01:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Bruce Johnson (29 Apr 2020 15:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (29 Apr 2020 22:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 08:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 08:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 14:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 15:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 16:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 19:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 May 2020 17:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 21:25 UTC)
RE: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Steve Simenic (01 May 2020 02:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (30 Apr 2020 20:29 UTC)
Klemperer Rosettes Jonathan Clark (01 May 2020 17:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Vareck Bostrom (01 May 2020 18:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Kelly St. Clair (01 May 2020 23:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Kelly St. Clair (01 May 2020 23:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] KlempererRosettes Jonathan Clark (02 May 2020 01:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Jonathan Clark (02 May 2020 01:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Vareck Bostrom (02 May 2020 02:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Kenneth Barns (29 Apr 2020 02:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (28 Apr 2020 19:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 19:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (28 Apr 2020 19:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 20:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (29 Apr 2020 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (29 Apr 2020 19:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas Jones-Low (29 Apr 2020 20:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 15:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] "That's no moon, it's a . . ." Jonathan Clark (01 May 2020 18:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "That's no moon, it's a . . ." Phil Pugliese (01 May 2020 20:21 UTC)

Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin 28 Apr 2020 12:47 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 07:35:12 -0400, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote to Freelance
Traveller:

>So, I'm envisioning, like many of the systems we have found, a star with no
>planets. Now, you might say 'they're out there, but nobody goes there'.

>Well, yes but. But what?

>If I had a station that was in an orbit around the sun, it would have a lot
>of potential energy from the sun plus it might be able to do some good
>science (esp if the sun was doing something strange).

>What would I do for a UPP for a mainworld? No planet. How do I denote a
>station? UPP, you fail me!

If I wanted to be able to use extant software that doesn't really cover the
situation, I'd use size 0, reinterpret it to mean "main body less than
1600km diameter", and use any text notes to indicate that it's a station,
not a world or belt. If the software in question supported size S ('Small',
usually used for moons <1600km), I'd use that instead. If I was writing my
own software and wanted to make sure that I could handle it, I'd use size
X.

>(You also fail to describe orbital habs, stations, etc)

Also size X, interpreted to mean "artificial body".

>Another failure... in the middle of Reft Sector, there's a big freaking
>rift. They built some caches and then stations so they could limp across
>the big rift. How do you represent a deep space no-star station like that?

>UPP Size 0 is Asteroids. That's not it.

If there's a natural body there, use the UWP as though it were a normal
system, but for stellar data, note "No star" or stellar class X0. If it's
just the artificial body, see above, and note "No star"/stellar class X0.

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