Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Jim Vassilakos (14 Sep 2015 23:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Kurt Feltenberger (15 Sep 2015 04:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) William Ewing (15 Sep 2015 04:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Kenneth Barns (15 Sep 2015 05:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Kenneth Barns (16 Sep 2015 07:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Richard Aiken (15 Sep 2015 23:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Phil Pugliese (16 Sep 2015 08:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Jeffrey Schwartz (15 Sep 2015 15:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Bruce Johnson (15 Sep 2015 15:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Bruce Johnson (15 Sep 2015 18:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Jeffrey Schwartz (15 Sep 2015 19:12 UTC)
Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Rob O'Connor (16 Sep 2015 08:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Kenneth Barns (16 Sep 2015 09:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Rob O'Connor (17 Sep 2015 07:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Kenneth Barns (17 Sep 2015 09:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Rob O'Connor (18 Sep 2015 10:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Andrew Long (18 Sep 2015 16:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Bruce Johnson (17 Sep 2015 16:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) shadow@xxxxxx (17 Sep 2015 23:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Jim Vassilakos (17 Sep 2015 23:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Jim Vassilakos (18 Sep 2015 04:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Richard Aiken (18 Sep 2015 05:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Kenneth Barns (18 Sep 2015 06:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Phil Pugliese (18 Sep 2015 07:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Bruce Johnson (18 Sep 2015 15:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Phil Pugliese (18 Sep 2015 23:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Craig Berry (18 Sep 2015 23:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Jim Vassilakos (19 Sep 2015 00:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Bruce Johnson (19 Sep 2015 00:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Craig Berry (19 Sep 2015 01:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Richard Aiken (19 Sep 2015 06:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Bruce Johnson (19 Sep 2015 18:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its SocialConsequences (long) Jim Vassilakos (19 Sep 2015 22:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Rob O'Connor (19 Sep 2015 23:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Virtuality and its Social Consequences (long) Bruce Johnson (17 Sep 2015 22:57 UTC)

Re: [TML] Re: Virtuality and its SocialConsequences(long) Rob O'Connor 19 Sep 2015 23:55 UTC

Jim Vassilakos wrote:
 > Yeah, the problem is that if sophont rights apply to AIs, then once
 > you create one, you're limited in what you can do with it, but, of
 > course, this will vary quite a bit according to the society.

Historically humans have had real problems recognising outgroup humans
as humans. There are some eras and societies that are much better than
others.

I don't see this situation being solved or becoming a non-problem with
other forms of human level (or more) levels of 'intelligence', however
they are packaged.

There is no need for some of your examples to have human equivalent
intelligence. Swarming/flocking/ambush/fleeing behaviours will suffice
for soldier robots. Collision avoidance, proprioception and low level
vision processing, for the trash collector.

Craig Berry wrote:
 > In any society which grants "personhood" to strong AIs and leaves
 > them free to innovate, they will very quickly transcend human control
 > and indeed understanding. One assumes they will face ethical issues
 > regarding treatment of their creators.

Becoming alien? Yes
"Transcending human control"? Maybe not.
Superhuman levels of 'intelligence' may not be possible, LessWrong etc.
notwithstanding.
Ultimately destruction or powering down the substrate the AI is running
on is always an option. There is the lesser option of rewriting or
removal to a safe sandbox.

Jim V. again:
 >  I think it's possible that Strong AIs will evolve from increasingly
 > complex neural nets, and as such, they'll have experienced some sort
 > of "childhood", during which they will have learned a variety of
 > skills, such as language.

The most important thing you teach them is the Golden Rule, or even the
Platinum Rule ("Do unto others as they would like to be treated") and
instil a lot of empathy.

General observation:
Second the book recommendations.

Robert O'Connor